Sunday, January 31, 2010

Men, Women, Blogging, Debating, and Relating


Pulling together a few threads from the Buddhoblogosphere:

There is some ongoing conversation about the different ways men and women participate (or don't) in blogging. I can't say that I've been involved in blogging long enough to have much of an opinion about this, but I have been learning a lot, and really appreciate NellaLou at Enlightenment Ward for initiating some intelligent questions about this.

Then yesterday, Nathan at Dangerous Harvests posed a question to the Buddhist blogging community about where the "line" is between the topics we do and no not blog about. This was in response to Mumon at Notes in Samsara, who, in a recent post, stated that he does not blog or even share about his practice with anyone but his teacher, as it leads to competitiveness.

One lens I have been using to understand much of this is provided by the research of George Washington University linguist, Deborah Tannen. She has been studying the communication patterns of men and women; how they differ, and why men and women might continually be misunderstanding one another. She even categorizes this as "cross cultural" communication. Her book, You Just Don't Understand, while getting on in years, is still a helpful tool in understanding and normalizing the different communication styles of men and women.

Tannen studies the communication patterns of boys and girls, which is where the communication patterns and cultural norms of men and women are formed.
"For women, as for girls, intimacy is the fabric of relationships, and talk is the thread from which it is woven. Little girls create and maintain friendships by exchanging secrets; similarly, women regard conversation as the cornerstone of friendship...What is important is not the individual subjects that are discussed but the sense of closeness, of a life shared, that emerges when people tell their thoughts, feelings, and impressions.

Bonds between boys can be as intense as girls', but they are based less on talking, more on doing things together. Boys' groups are larger, more inclusive, and more hierarchical, so boys must struggle to avoid the subordinate position in the group."

She describes that boys and men tend to use talk to establish and maintain hierarchies, and that this is often at the root of many a wife's complaint about a husband who "won't talk" when he gets home -- he does not feel the need to.

Then today, Nathan posts (how do you all post so frequently and keep up with one another?) about noticing the way many blogs, the content of which are much more personal, seem to get a lot less attention, or at least a lot less comments, but "the posts which routinely recieve a pile of comments are dramatic, irreverent, or deliberately contraversial."

Well I haven't read it yet, but Deborah Tannen has written a book on this too: The Argument Culture is her examination of this very phenomenon now pervading so many aspects of our lives. You can read a great article about it here.

Deborah Tannen again:

"In his book "Fighting for Life," Walter Ong points out that men use "agonistic" or warlike, oppositional formats to do almost anything; thus discussion becomes debate, and conversation a competitive sport. In contrast, women see conversation as a ritual means of establishing rapport. If Jane tells a problem and June says she has a similar one, they walk away feeling closer to each other. But this attempt at establishing rapport can backfire when used with men. Men take too literally women's ritual "troubles talk," just as women mistake men's ritual challenges for real attack."

Not that any one way is "bad" or wrong", but as NellaLou has pointed out, there is a spectrum somewhere between "catatonic and hysterical" which leaves an awfully large swathe of Middle Way. And this could shed some light on the different ways as well as the different reasons men and women blog.

Tannen adds the disclaimer:

"This is not to say that all women and all men, or all boys and girls, behave any one way. Many factors influence our styles, including regional and ethnic backgrounds, family experience and individual personality. But gender is a key factor, and understanding its influence can help clarify what happens when we talk."

Indeed, my own very general impressions have been that Buddhist women's blogs do lean more towards the personal / practice side of the spectrum, and men's more towards talking about worldly events and inviting discussion / debate about things.

These questions have caused me to ponder why I blog. Initially, I thought it would be a way for my friends (the ones I knew before) to keep up with me. This is who I thought I would be talking to. Some of my friends indeed are avid readers of this blog, and it is really handy to write and share about my experiences with Zen practice here. However, it turns out, a good amount of my friends are not very interested in this media at all.

Surprisingly to me, I have found that a whole community of Buddhist practitioners is interested in this media, and whom I find very interesting. It turns out that one of the reasons I blog is to connect with this community. And not surprisingly to me, the way I seem to be doing that is by sharing my personal experience with practice. Because I have no interest in jumping into any fray of debate with anyone.

I want to end with and echo this comment about "the line of telling and not telling", from another amazing woman Buddhist blogger at zendotstudio:

"For me one of the first things I noticed and truly admired about my Zen teacher was her sense of transparency, her willingness to share her daily practice with us. And truly that was the real beginning of my own practice. I learned so much by seeing how she manouvered her way through small situations, what bothered her, how she worked with it. It was the best instruction for me.

And of course everyone needs to decide where the comfort level of transparency is for them. And to look at why, perhaps?

And there is a phrase I remember from Dharma talks and I don't know who this it attributed to, "if you know one mango, you know them all." Your stuff, my stuff, it's not all that different. I think we write our blogs for many different reasons but I think it is always an offering."

11 comments:

Jeanne Desy said...

I love your photos of Chihuly installations - he is our hometown boy, I think, Columbus, Ohio.

I very much dislike argument - maybe I'll blog about how I changed my mind to arrive at that position. And I avoid making statements on my blog that might lead other people to want to fight, debate, or criticize me. But much of the great wide blogosphere is about getting attention by doing that, just as much of it has been masculine. So I guess I have arrived at a feminine style. I am happy with that. There is a right use for debate, of course.

I like this discursive, thoughtful post.

Anonymous said...

I would add John Gottman's research with married couples that showed a heart rate over 100 BPM prevents hearing the other even if the message is kind. Certainly the skhanda of perception gets the blood boiling with little provocation and even less reality testing. :-)

This medium hasn't changed much in the almost two decades I've wandered in it. We project onto the screen what we fear most in ourselves and believe the reflection to be the person we're writing to or reading about. Blogs are the next gen in projective tests! :-)

While it may be a biological pre-set to approach topics or relationships a certain way, the point of practice is to be aware of the effect our intentionality has on getting us to where we are headed. If I'm constantly navigating our relationship into the weeds, it's up to me to cultivate more skillfulness - even if that is antithetical to the story about Me. This is where most relationships cave: that grasping of who "I" am in the context of "Us".

I like ZdS's point that it's all an offering and I'd add if there is little skillfulness in the offering it's a squandered moment of enlightenment - regardless of gender.

Great post. Thank you!

Genju

Jomon said...

DG: You have been a light of inspiration in my journey of Buddhist blogging. The Chihuly installation was at Shaw's Garden in St Louis a couple winters ago. The Garden has since acquired some of the pieces, but I am not sure which ones.

108: I agree, a little skillfulness, and conscious intention goes a long, long way. I think Tannen would say that our approaches to conversation are not biological, but socialized, and therefore even more in accord with what you are saying about taking responsibility for changing habit patterns. Even if that doesn't add to the story of Me.

So grateful for both of your bright lights in the forest!

Nathan said...

I do think people like Tannen emphasize the gender divide a bit too much, but socialization by gender clearly impacts these issues.

What's interesting to me is that it's not only the more personal posts, but also posts discussion more "public" issues, but not in a provocative way, which also get looked over.

I'm working on moving beyond fears about conflict, as it's a part of life. But at the same time, I don't think my writing, or who I am in my life, reflects a stereotypical gendered approach. So, it's interesting to see some of those gendered approaches coming out in certain blogs, and also to see what gets people's attention.

Jomon said...

Nathan, I would agree, I don't think your writing is limited in that sense. And I think it is skillful to be somewhat ambidextrous in terms of communication ability.

I am glad you pointed out this tendency - of conflict gathering such attention. I think it is very helpful for us to be aware of this.

Anonymous said...

Came here via Mama Om. I have a rusty Buddhist practice. And a budding Mama practice, and I blog.

My blog is a way for me to practice writing and regurgitate life with my kids so I can see it more clearly.

My husband rarely reads my posts, and I'm pretty sure I have very few men raeders at all. Sometimes when I write about butchering wild game they comment. But there's no doubt men and women speak, listen and relate in very different ways. I think we compliment each other well.
Thanks for the thoughtful post.

Jomon said...

6512: Hey thanks for visiting! I spent some time over on your blog, and it's FUN at your house! What sweet wonderful kids. I spent a lot of social work years working with moms who were up against rafts of problems, and it is always such a joy to know there are healthy moms and therefore healthy kids out there. So glad you commented. Thanks!

Kyle said...

Hey great blog ya got here, excellent!

Jomon said...

Hi Kyle! Thanks for visiting! We try to keep it squirrel-friendly around here.

Kyle said...

Excellent, hope ya dont mind me adding ya to my blog roll.

Jomon said...

Thank you Kyle! And I'll do the same.